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The question now is: do you also see it?
No, I don’t.
Surely only a mind such as Nietzsche’s could possibly grasp Alek’s music is about,
if only he had been born into the 20th century.
In all likelihood, who else but heirs to his philosophy can point out this to us?OK, done with the sarcastic vernacular.
Notwithstanding your quarrel against an imaginary critic that doesn’t like rave music and considering it as ‘non-music’
and your obvious love of Alek’s music and Nietzsche’s philosophy, you should rein in your arrogance and condescension real quick.If you can’t understand what Sherkel was trying to say, instead of going full nuclear on him and ad homineming, perhaps you could try to formulate
a clearer summary of what he meant, and confirm that with him.
But judging from your posts, you made no genuine and constructive attempt, nor efforts to understand Sherkel’s reasoning,
and dismissed it as immature babbling.So you are fine excusing yourself on how aggressively you express your thoughts on the basis of intersubjectivity and relativism digressions (
I want to believe we are responsible adults that know what opinions are, and do not feel the need to reexplain it every single time you are met
with disagreement), but you can grok Nietzsche and dismiss Sherkel because he is too illegible to your tastes?
You can accuse me of reacting to tone, and say “You don’t like it? Too bad, I am not going to change it!”I can only give you advice, and that’s all I am going to do.
This is not the first time regulars are being rustled by your abrasiveness.
From your track record in the TYFTH forum and that infected mushroom forum, you better start checking yourself before you wreck yourself.
If you can’t be bothered with etiquette and courtesy on the forum (like in real life), and dismiss it as moral of the weak, if only you agree with yourself,
yet no one else here does, then why are you still here?
Surely another Internet place sharing your views would be more suitable for you.
It’s fine if you want to stay too. But don’t expect me to keep up with your highbrow, tough guy front.I am sorry, but in an attempt at clarifying your thought (I wanted to assume you used the word ‘virile’ in a secondary meaning, not related to the state of masculinity and post-modern society today. But no socio-commentary digression here.), are you using the word barbaric to convey a sense of non-preeminence, as compared to other countries’ cultural standing, not inferiority?
Because if taken literally, which I usually do, culturally-wise, a look at their library culture, the Kalevala, sisu, their landscapes (and saunas!) proves that it is not the case.
I don’t think you meant to expose some sort of cultural inferiority, or at least a perceived one, as opposed to an actual one.
However, don’t get me started on salmiakki licorice. Like, pardon me the use of that word (to be taken humorously), that is degenerate taste.
And—finally—the question must be asked, for it’s time someone asked it.
Why is this virile music coming from Finland of all places?You’re not the first one to ask it though.
Pearsall: Do you think the high bpm’s of your tracks put you in touch spiritually with your Viking ancestors?
Teemu: (laughing) Ok, the speed of our tracks is just because there is a seven month winter here and it’s so freaking cold and dark. It’s really dark so when we have parties we have to dance really fast to get ourselves warm. Everyone is so fucking pissed off that they are so cold they have to dance fast to get warm. It’s kind of a formation of mind, you know, you get a clear mind when you are dancing so fast, so furious.
But tell me, friends, where are there virile countries anymore?
If by that, you meant, countries producing that hard and fast, sad and angry sort of music we are all so fond of,
maybe we should turn back in time, to the 90’s European raving scene, where most inspiration for
freeform can be found (hardcore breakbeat, german/UK hard trance, happy hardcore, acid techno, hard house, gabber).
Among those countries, you can enumerate the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands.
Japan came later, notable still despite not being in Europe.But I think that as time goes forward, life gets in the way, in a good or bad manner, priorities are reassessed, and people
move on with the times. The niche nature of all of this, seemed to have been worthwhile, as the DJ’s and
producers did what they liked, for themselves, the music, the people and the scene.How to regain that today? We may not be able to, but it is interesting for any freeform aficionado to ponder that.
Aren’t the Finns our contemporary cultural barbarians?
Which part of culture specifically are you talking about here? The climate? The introversion? The spirit of sisu?
My top 10 doesn’t know what melancholy is. It only knows rage and anger.
In no particular order:
– Betwixt & Between – Reincarnation
– Einhander – Four Beast
– GULD – Perkele!
– Epilim – Rapid Fire
– Zio – Hell’s Gate (Afaggdu Remix)
– RR-ThermalForce – Al Megiddo
– Booty – Oyakogoro BPM
– BTW – Hollow
– Rx – Killer Instinct
– Pain on Creation – AdaptationOf course, I am not even mentioning Alabaster, Carbon Based, Re-Form, Alek and all that excellent stuff, so I will just mention the closest ones to my state of mind when I need to grind something.
And you cant listen to them all the time, otherwise they lose their potency.It is fair to say that about Hydra when listening to the track from a stand-alone point, but then, so are most intros. I guess not every composer want to start a track with something harsh like Storm Coming.
However, from a DJ’s point of vue, the boringness of the buildup could be used while mixing a transition, to arrive at the breakdown before the vocal sample and climax.Ok, my turn. Not exactly freeform, though.
Endlicher Entfernung: A guy want to convince his little sister to have fun together. He succeeds.
That track should have been instrumental only, or at least have had an instrumental version.
I found myself wondering, back then when I was dabbling in mixing, how would you play this live without risking embarrassment to yourself, or offending someone?
The obvious answer is, you can’t. And yet, I found it solid, except for the samples’ bad taste. But if I could remove the voices, how would I fill the quiet parts with?My favorite part is the first 30 seconds or so, where the melody goes from carefreeness to plain disharmony, then quickly breaking into chaos.
Following-up to whatever stuff @bern said in the Introductions, Endlicher would be a better example of cheesiness in a track than Nothing Compares 2 U, which is a rearrangement of Cirno’s theme, and if you are familiar with the canonical material, you can see for yourself that a dumb, (weak?) fairy is nothing to worry about.
I don’t think it was intended to be serious. But yes, if you like your freeform like you drink your coffee, you should stick to Alek.The point about imitators is sorta moot, a better question would be: Did <artist X> manage to leave <structure set by innovator> to produce its own sound?
When you are starting to produce, it is normal to try to copy the sounds you like.
Given BTW’s experimentations and work in several music genres, I would say he was looking for his own sound, and that typecasting it into a Alek imitator, even as one of the best, is a bit unfair. And they are worse cases of imitation out there.
The trick is to be inspired by other artists and genres without downright plagiarizing what they do.If we are going to have an showdown on the best dark freeform artist (or feel good about our superior tastes while belittling others’, whichever suits you best), shouldn’t that be moved into its own topic, rather than polluting the Introductions thread?
@Dyzphazia: I cannot reach your sample because your account is private.
So yeah, I did some experiments with FL and a few synths (Sylenth, Z3tA), followed some tutorials, got the basis for supersaw leads and hoover, and indeed it does seem like the secret sauce is the effects + filtering thing.
Now that I think of it, the filtered leads given by @Sherkel does sound reverb-ish. Even so, I did not reach something like this.
The sample in @Sherkel’s pastebin is not there anymore (404).
Storm Coming samples Take Shelter – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLddoVgFOxg
Four Beast samples Johnny Cash – The Man Comes Around, which in turn references Revelation 6 from the New Testament, King James Bible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EA
Attitude Problem samples Back to the Future : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ndJNXCkNxg
たんこぶへそ samples from the first episode of Farscape : https://youtu.be/IfZofVq44bM?t=43m35s
Some movie lore behind some samples in Carbon Based tracks:
– Ultimate Protection is from Aliens – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48
– Reactivated is from Demolition Man
– Kraateri is Galadriel’s prologue speech from the first Lord of the Rings movie – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJvOm94W5U
Yes, I was aware already of Hyphen’s tutorials on the matter. Very useful to document the making of freeform for the future generations :p
Too bad the FINRG forum production threads could not be salvaged. At least I managed to find a mirror thread with Rx’s music production advices there.
@PlasmaDancer: I managed to find the tutorial you mentioned on the wayback machine: here. Even the intermediary sounds are backed up.
Thank you very much for the heads-up!
Feel free to give any sort of advice, even if it is not much. I am an absolute beginner in music production, so I will take anything.
I will make sure to check on Sherkel’s tracks and ask him for advice as well!hello! I am a freeform enthusiast from France.
I had my first exposition to the hardcore genre (more specifically JCore) around high school (2009ish) with netradios events and self-produced/indie/dojin music.
My first exposure to Freeform with BTW’s tracks on HARDCORE TANO*C, but back then I didn’t even know the genre existed.Then, I stumbled onto Munted Monthly. I had a little more interest in the genre, but not to the point I could appreciate it fully.
I must have learned about the existence of TYFTH around that time.It took some more streaming events and online sets until critical mass was reached and that I awakened to how much material
went under my nose, how prolific some artists and labels were (FINRG, Electronica Exposed). That was about 3-4 years ago.At some point, I jumped the gun and went to CODEX 5 in May 2015. That was a blast. I remember dancing, jumping up and down almost non stop for 3 entire
sets (Alek’s, Plasma and GULD) except for a few pictures and videos, that says a lot about how much I enjoyed the thing.
The interaction with other fans and the DJs…
That is where you discover that freeform anthems in a live club environment take on an emotional dimension (something like a mix of
nostalgia and melancholia), something hard to find and reproduce alone in a home environment.
That’s how my interest in freeform music got crystallized.Today, I feel pretty confident about how much I like freeform, although in my case, it is an acquired taste born of listening to the music
over and over again. There are things you can only “get” and “rediscover” through repetition, like most things in life :>
Even now, I managed to discover freeform tracks that would not have caught my interest even a few months back.I hope I managed to communicate my feeling and experience adequately and that fellow Horsers here can relate to the ramblings of a latecomer such as myself.
It is hard to decide on a favorite intro for me, I am divided between several Carbon Based tracks.
so I will go for 2 answers, Prologue and Charmed Dreams.
